27th National Health Equity Research Webcast

Friday, September 17th, 2021

Panelists

  • Eduardo Bonilla-Silva, PhD, James B. Duke Distinguished Professor of Sociology, Duke University

  • Jeanette Kowalik, PhD, MPH, MCHES, Director of Policy Development, Trust for America’s Health

  • Mandy Carter, LGBTQ+ Activist, Durham, North Carolina

Moderator

Leoneda Inge, M.J.
Race and Southern Culture Reporter
North Carolina Public Radio

			

This is U.S.: Dissent, Denial, and the Health of Populations

Friday, September 17th, 2021

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Hello, everyone, and welcome to the twenty seventh National Health Equity Research Webcast, very exciting time.

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And can you believe we’re still here in a pandemic? I’m Luneta and raised in Southern culture reporter from North Carolina Public Radio.

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And I’ve had the opportunity to crisscross this state and the country,

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really collecting diverse voices and presenting them to the public to better help them understand race, culture and place.

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And I will be your moderator for today’s interactive webinar, where we will discuss this year’s theme.

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This is US dissent, denial and the health of populations.

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Well, speaking of race and place very important to me, we would like to open our webcast with a land acknowledgment.

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North Carolina is home to the Konieczny, Lumbee, Schoharie, Holywell, Sapone, Eastern Band of Cherokee,

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just along with many other indigenous peoples living in both tribal homelands and in urban settings.

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And we acknowledge and give thanks to the first peoples of this land and their descendants.

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And it is also important to acknowledge and honor the crucial role of enslaved people.

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In the early days of this campus, enslaved people were sold as Ishita property to help fund the establishment of the University of North Carolina

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and the labor of enslaved people built UNC Chapel Hill and undergirded its operations until emancipation.

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We acknowledge and give thanks to the enslaved people who built USAC and to their descendants.

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On behalf of this year’s organizers and sponsors,

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I would like to welcome everyone joining us from across the country and from outside of the United States.

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Closed captioning is available during this webinar and can be turned on at the bottom of your screen.

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Before I introduce our panelists, I would like to recognize several of the many organizations who have made today’s webinar possible.

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We extend a special thanks to our leading co-sponsors, the U.S. Gillings School of Global Public Health, led by Dean Barbara Rimer,

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the North Carolina Area Health Education Center, led by Hugh Telson and the USC Center for Health Equity Research, led by Dr. Jazelle Corbi Smith.

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For several decades, Underseas Gillings School of Global Public Health has been committed to groundbreaking research and exceptional teaching,

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but I most admire its dedicated service to people across North Carolina, the United States in the world.

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So this marks the twenty seventh year of the school’s sponsorship of the National Health Equity Research Webcast,

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a smart and deliberate way to help tackle global health disparities and to speak out and encourage others to join in on this conversation.

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So it’s my pleasure now to turn the floor over to Leah Cox, vice provost for equity and inclusion at UNC Chapel Hill, with today’s welcome.

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Thank you. Thank you, Amanda. Hello, everyone, and welcome to the twenty seventh National Health Equity Research Webcast here today.

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And I’m Dr. Leah Cox, vice provost for inclusion and equity and the chief diversity officer here at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill.

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While I’m new to you and see, I would say that many of us are not new to the issues around health disparities

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in the US as someone whose discipline and work focuses on issues of inequity,

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discrimination, racism and social injustices. This is a topic that connects to what I do and what many of us understand in our multiple ways.

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We recognize that the United States is home to persist, persistent racial disparities in health coverage,

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chronic health conditions, mental health and mortality, as many of us have seen real time in the past 18 months of a pandemic.

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These disparities are a result of decades of systematic inequality in American economic, housing and health care systems.

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I’m excited today that this webcast will continue the conversation and shine a

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spotlight on this issue to focus on persistent inequities facing Americans,

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African-Americans or black Americans, Hispanic Americans or Latin Americans, Asian Americans,

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Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander Americans and American Indians or Alaskan Natives.

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My hope is that learning more about these disparities can be a way of lessening these kinds of inequalities,

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engaging in these conversations and analyzing some of the root causes of racial and ethnic disparities,

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and then discussing what can be done to eliminate them, to serve all of us and creating an equitable community.

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So I want to thank our panelists up front and thank all of you for being engaged in this

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conversation that will require a deliberate and sustained effort to address these inequities.

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Thank you and enjoy the webcast. And thank you very much for those words.

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And now it’s time to briefly introduce our panelists for today.

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Our first presenter is Eduardo Nilla Silva.

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Eduardo Brunious Silva is the James B. Duke distinguished professor of sociology.

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Mr. Brunious Silva has published five books to date, his book, Racism Without Racists,

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has become a classic in the field and has influenced scholars from religious studies to political science.

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One of his most recent articles is Color Blind Racism in Pandemic Times in the Sociology of Race and Ethnicity.

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And this year,

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Mr. Phoniest Silva was honored with the WBB Dubois Center of Distinguished Scholarship Award from the American Sociological Association.

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Mr. Venire Silva is a graduate of the University of Puerto Rico and his master’s degree and PhD from the University of Wisconsin, Madison.

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Our second presenter will be Janette Kolache.

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Just want to make sure I say that right, Janette. Now, she’s been working in the public health arena for nearly 20 years.

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She’s the director of policy development for the Trust for America’s Health, a Washington, D.C. based nonprofit,

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bipartisan health policy organization focuses on everything from obesity to substance misuse to health equity,

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which is at the forefront of discussion surrounding the disturbing incidence of covid-19 in black and brown communities.

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A highlight of her career has been collaborating with others to declare racism a public health crisis.

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She earned her Masters in Public Health from Northern Illinois University and her PhD from the University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee.

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Our third and final presenter is Mandy Carter. Mandy Carter.

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You know, she’s been holding folks feet to the fire for more than 50 years,

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organizing social, racial and LGBTQ movements, when I say 50 years, I mean it.

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She participated at the 1968 Poor People’s Campaign, solidifying her commitment to nonviolence.

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And the Twenty Eighteen Poor People’s Campaign was kind of helped co-found two groundbreaking organizations,

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Southerner’s on NewGround Song and The National Black Justice.

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In thousand five initiative, one thousand women for the Nobel Peace Prize nominated Miss Carter and other women working for peace at the local,

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national and international levels collectively for the Nobel Peace Prize.

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Well, let’s give a huge welcome to our distinguished panelists today.

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Each panelist will make a 10 minute presentation following the presentations.

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We will engage in a question and answer session, so please submit your questions in the Q&A chat throughout the webcast.

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So without further ado, I would like to welcome Professor Ward of the Silver with his presentation.

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Thank you. OK, that’s the title of my presentation.

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What makes systemic racism systemic and I’m really scared of Leonida, so I have 10 minutes.

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I’d be fast and furious. So let me begin by giving you from the outset my main point.

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Systemic racism is not fundamentally about people, the people, the races here behaving in a racist fashion,

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but mostly about nice r w f white folks following the dominant racial script of any period,

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whether it is slavery, Jim Crow or the period in the civil rights era that I call the new racism.

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And I got to begin with a story of some of you remember this case, Suzanne Moore,

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who was a doctor and medical doctor who died at 52 of covid in a hospital in Indiana.

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And she wrote. This is how black people get killed when you send them home and they don’t know how to fight for themselves.

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I was in so much pain from my neck, my neck hurts so bad I was crushed.

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He referring to the white doctor. He made me feel like a drug addict.

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And he knows I’m a physician. When the doctors in the study did found new damaging her lungs,

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but kept her waiting for hours for painkillers and the nurse was telling me all I was margining Black Lives Matter what Moore said.

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I told her, no, I don’t believe none of that. Not one bit.

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Not one iota. You wouldn’t even know how to march. Probably can’t even spell it.

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And the hospital in traditional bureaucratic fashion said a lot of organization

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committed to equity and reaching and reducing racial disparities in health care.

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We take accusations of discrimination very seriously and investigate every allegation, blah, blah, blah.

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We heard that story before. So what do we learn from Dr. Moore story about systemic racism?

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Well, first of all, it’s not a matter of the bad apples, by the way,

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it took me a long time to draw a cartoon of the races here because neither the doctors and the nurses in this particular case where rabid,

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rabid racists, they just behave in racialized fashion, which produced a horrific outcome, the death of a person.

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So that’s a secret of systemic racism, but it incorporates all apples in the social order that is all of us in society.

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And we all participate in racialized practices force. The participation of people of color is different than the participation of whites.

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We can talk more about that during that period. So what is the characteristic or the nature of systemic racism in the post civil rights era?

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And I’ve written that there is a system that I call the new racism that is suave, seemingly nonracial,

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yet quite effective, characterized, among other things, by the corporate practices that I call smiling discrimination.

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We all know these. You go to the store and you either ignored or patrol in clever ways or kill ways, killing me softly with.

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May I help you? May I help you? I help you. Yes. I’m trying to steal this fancy.

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Could you help me? I am the avoidance of racist terminology.

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We know that in public exchanges, the traditional terms of the past orrible either in private.

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We know that there is a is a different story. And lastly, some of the old practices of the Jim Crow era have been rearticulated, such as redlining.

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I would not delve into that because one of my fellow panelists, we will deal with this in deeper fashion.

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So we have the system, the new racism, and there is an ideology out there called colorblind.

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Racism is I’m not a racist, but I’m not a racist, but I’m a good person.

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And let me give you an inventive example that fits this audience.

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So this is Dr. Albe White, the third.

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And he says, I’m not a racist, but affirmative action is discrimination in reverse and in the medical field, less unqualified people get in.

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I mean. I mean. I mean. I mean. I mean, I like Dr. Michael Blackman at USC and he’s one of my best friends.

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But but but what you know, you know you know, being nice is not sufficient in this job.

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And please know that I’m a very good person. What if what if I’m a twice a now voted for by the incoming?

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So the problem with the white stance is that is classic abstract liberalism, one of the central tenets of colorblind racism.

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And basically he doesn’t understand that race still matters and is systemic discrimination out there producing all kinds of outcomes.

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He also has these rhetorical incoherence.

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I mean I mean I mean, I don’t know, you know, and lastly, all kinds of semantic moves to avoid the appearance of being racist.

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Yet I’m not a racist, but to my best friends are obliged, etc.

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Of course, society is not race neutral because race matters and everything we do, whether it is try to get a job,

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try to rent the house, driving, walking in hospitals, everything we do, race matters.

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And there is a book. There is a subliminal message.

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I’m black and Puerto Rico, I ain’t got time to be subliminal, so I got to be straight.

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OK, so this systemic racism is also expressed in organizations, in all the institutions of society.

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We should not be surprised.

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And I want to address quickly the institution that I labor in this HWC you and it’s obviously a means historically white college and university.

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And these places you can see Duke. Wisconsin, et cetera, now have a history of demography, a curriculum,

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a climate and set of symbols and traditions that embody, signify and reproduce whiteness.

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And I think I can give you a hundred examples of these so-called isolated incidents that keep happening and happening again and again,

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but it’s not just the incidents, it’s also the structure and culture of the company,

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whether it is silence time at the agency or a president’s room at Duke with all pictures of white folks.

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And of course, I have mostly pictures here of Duke. But you can see, folks, you’ve got your own history and reality and present situation.

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Yeah, we know that. So what are the medical system, the medical field?

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Does America feel also has a history, demography, climate and set of symbols and traditions that embody and signify whiteness?

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And the answer is yes. So, for example, in terms of proportionality, we need to understand that we people of color,

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blacks and Latinos, we are 33, 34 percent of the population today.

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Twenty twenty one and only about 11 percent of doctors happen to be folks of color.

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I’m talking black and Latino. And the impact of that is that white doctors are significantly less likely to work in communities of color.

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Therefore, until we achieve representational parity, we’re going to be then not having enough black and Latino doctors for our communities.

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We know that is a long history of eugenics and that history, unfortunately, continues today.

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But I want to make an important point that the problem of radicalization is not about the legacies of the past.

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Everybody keeps talking about the Tuskegee experiment, et cetera.

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As important as that is, I am more concerned with the contemporary practices of racialization in the medical field, in hospitals, etc.

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So, for example, we all know that. And this is a recent survey in 2020, 50 percent of medical trainees believe all kinds of myth,

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all black people, including have thicker skin and less sensitive nerve endings.

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That means what they believe, that we black and Latino people can take more pain, therefore, not so poor.

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You may not know the pain medication for you, and that’s not.

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Because if you are a doctor, a nurse or a technician, but that’s part of the white collectible that whites believe that we can take more more pain.

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So all kinds of experimental work shows that clearly. So what about you white men in this audience?

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What do you believe? While your friends.

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What kind of charge you have then? What’s called you send your children to?

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Who challenges your views on race? You see my point,

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I’m trying to say that if you have a cigaret life that lead to segregated mind

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hard and therefore you don’t need to have a master plan to control the world,

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you just need to have this situation that I have in my work at the White Habitus,

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which produces them behaviors, habits and emotions that reflect and reproduce whiteness.

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So, um, because whites benefit from the racial order of things,

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they just keep talking as long as they don’t see any reason to rock the boat because everything is all right.

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I mean. All right. So systemic racism is you, it is also, of course, not symmetry in the situation between blacks and whites, yet we all participate.

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But it’s not the same to be an enslaved person and to be a master.

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So most of you are very nice people, although from the Xoom I see some of you are Angry Birds clearly.

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Yeah, but you participate in systemic racism, mostly in a passive, habituated, even neutral way.

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So for whites, it’s not us, Kevin, Crystal, Howard or Jessica, but you as a member of the racial group in charge,

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you are a mostly unconscious personification of the American racial order.

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So what is to be done? Stay tuned. Thank you.

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Well, thank you very much for that.

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We need to find out who are the Angry Birds out there we’ve got they may not mean to be Angry Birds,

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but like you say, you know, where do you live with the people you hang out with?

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Yes. Segregated views are yes. Segregated surroundings of choice could lead to segregated views right in the open.

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And that’s what hopefully we’re trying to address here today.

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So thank you very much. We will hear from Jeannette Kosilek.

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Hi, thank you for the opportunity to present today and thank you to Chapel Hill,

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the Center for Health Equity Research, the Gillings School of Global Public Health,

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and then specifically just shouting out the trust for America’s health, Baylor University,

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and then my hometown of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, the home of the world champion Milwaukee Bucks.

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So just putting that out there today, I’ll talk a little bit about Policy’s role in either harming or healing communities.

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And my frame of reference is I’m from Milwaukee. I grew up in Milwaukee. I completed most of my public health training in Milwaukee,

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but I also started my career in public health as an intern at the city of Milwaukee Health Department.

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I left in two thousand eight. I returned in twenty eighteen to serve as the city’s health commissioner and stayed up until around this time last year.

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And I would have stayed longer if I could have.

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But it was a very harmful role to be in and I had to make that tough decision to leave and to move on to provide

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some support to communities across this country through the work that I do at the Trust for America’s Health.

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Next slide. So level setting, so it’s important to acknowledge definition.

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So Dr. Bill Niyazova did that with the systemic racism conversation, which is extremely important.

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We tend to see that more tied to discussions of racism these days.

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But we also have to acknowledge the role, as you said, of individuals in the system.

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that there is internalized individual looking at how do we act towards one another,

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which is what we normally think of when we talk about racism, looking at institutions and systems as well.

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So just acknowledging that there’s a variety of forms of racism which are all harmful,

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but moving them together at the macro level is more problematic because it can really shift policy,

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which is what we’ve seen for decades in this country, and the resistance to change.

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So just noting what policy means using this definition.

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It’s a law, regulation and procedure, administration or administrative action, incentive or voluntary practice of governments and other institutions.

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So acknowledging that there’s a lot of power and policy to either maintain a certain way to bring about change or to dismantle things.

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So we want to make sure we’re also talking about the significance of policy.

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I’m also have just basic definitions here, let’s say for health equity,

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that everyone has a fair and just opportunity to be as healthy as possible and

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removing these obstacles such as poverty and discrimination and their consequences.

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Health inequity is the systemic deficiencies in the health status of different population groups.

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And then, as I mentioned, racism using Dr. Kumara Jones’s definitions.

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Next slide, please. Then we also have to talk about antiracism is because we know that there has been more conversation about anti-racism,

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so we talk about racism, but what about dismantling it? So it’s the active ongoing process of dismantling systems of racial inequity and creating

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new systems that are racially that are upholding and embracing communities of color,

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and then also acknowledging the need to call out anti black racism.

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And this is something that Dr. Chamorros also highlights, but that within people of color, groups of color,

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that there can be some hate towards black people or people of African descent, which makes it very difficult for us to move forward.

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Oftentimes, there’s the what about isms that can rise up and serve as barriers to true progress and change?

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Next slide. So we all hear about social determinants of health.

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And I just you can click through this to show.

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OK, so social determinants of health.

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And oftentimes when we start talking about racism and the impact of racism, especially through a policy lens, there’s this.

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Well, what about people’s behaviors? Or, for instance, the Trust for America’s Health?

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Just released a state of obesity report this week. And of course, obesity has gotten worse through this pandemic.

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But just there is sometimes a focus on individual behaviors or choices that people make.

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But there has to be some role of policy and what is available to people.

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And knowing that there has been intentional cutoffs of access to healthy fruits, vegetables, access to free and safe places for recreation.

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So all of these things impact one’s ability to be healthy.

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So just acknowledging, when we talk about social determinants of health, we also have to talk about health equity.

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We also have to talk about racism and anti-racism from a policy lens.

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Next slide, please. So this is just classic, just acknowledging that other factors have kind of come into play when talking about help.

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And the fourth point I really want to highlight is the weathering that can occur from racism.

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So it compounds with other forms of discrimination.

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We all wear multiple hats and because of that, we have more intensity as far as inflammation can occur.

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Like, I have a number of autoimmune conditions myself, and I’m not that old.

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So just all of the things that I personally have experienced. And it’s no surprise that I have multiple autoimmune conditions because of these

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various forms of discrimination and racism that I have received over my life.

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how do you find out a diagnosis and get access to care is really, really challenging.

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And I’m sure that’s a whole nother talk we can share or stories about some of the

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negative experiences we’ve had with the health care system here in the United States.

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So Milwaukee, Wisconsin, again, home of the world champion Milwaukee Bucks, but many people don’t necessarily know the lay of the land for Milwaukee.

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But this is just just so everybody is clear on what Milwaukee is.

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It’s about eighty seven miles north of Chicago. Most people know where Chicago is located and the county is about one million people.

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This city, which takes up the bulk of the county, is about almost like six hundred thousand people.

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And this was the jurisdiction and I was responsible for as health commissioner, but also the full county as in charge of the pandemic.

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most of the diversity and the county falls in the city, as you can see, as majority people of color.

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Next slide, please. So just again, highlighting some of the things that have happened last year, Milwaukee.

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Next slide, please. And in the past, so just like many other cities in the nineteen sixties,

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the civil justice for a civil rights movement with housing after Dr. King’s assassination,

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after Malcolm X’s assassination, just seeing people rise up, organize, really fight for a better way for today.

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And just reflecting on where we’re at now compared to years ago.

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And some people argue, well, there’s been a lot of change. We’ve made a lot of progress.

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But as we have seen lately, especially this pandemic, that we’re really not as far along as we thought.

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Next slide, please. So the next series of slides, which are both very quickly, is just to show you the connection to policy.

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So I’m going to just highlight this heat map.

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So just kind of pay attention to where you see the intense red and orange, which is typically the central part of the city of Milwaukee,

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where there is majority black residents and then the southern part is predominantly black next or Hispanic area.

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Next slide, please. And as you can see, home value is another one in the central city here you see some of the highest low home values.

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Next slide, please. And then we look at lead poisoning, which is a huge issue in Milwaukee, as well as many other cities right now,

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talking about improving infrastructure, which requires a policy change.

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But you can see the concentration of lead poisoning in children in Milwaukee is in the African-American part of town.

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And then you also see this orange again, kind of in a Latin or Hispanic areas of town explains.

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And then we go to the nineteen thirties and a homeowner uncorks redlining, that’s so many cities have these, if you can find them.

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The University of Richmond has a great reference so you can access these to see if they exist for your communities.

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the areas that were designated for black families and just kind of reflecting on those maps that you just saw,

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those maps you see still the effects of the redlining playing out even today.

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Next slide, please. So you can see and comparison here, the old relining that the center is Malky County and the city,

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just to show you the distribution of where the most diversity lies in the county.

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And then on the right hand side is a covid to show you where the outbreak of covid-19 was

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more centralized in the African-American community or the black community in Milwaukee.

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So or should I say because of gentrification, a lot of black families had relocated to that area of town.

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There’s also a lot of long term care facilities in that area as well.

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So you can see even 20, 20 into now how this spellbinding map is still impacting black and brown families in Milwaukee County.

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Next slide, please. So just briefly, highlighting the role of segregation.

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So these are just in general definitions, but when you look at segregation, we always assume it’s just where people live.

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But there’s also a need to highlight where people do business or where people work.

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So you have residential and then you have experiential or experience related segregation.

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it’s just providing the evidence that Mark is one of the most segregated jurisdictions in the country and then a recent study

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from Stanford looks at GPS signals from phones to show where people are living as well as where they’re doing business.

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Next slide, please. And this just shows the rate is just out of control for Milwaukee, where segregation lies.

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So Milwaukee, compared to the nation, is the highest as you can see in the top right hand corner of this chart.

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Milwaukee’s at top. Next slide, please.

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So these are quick, because I know I’m a little bit over time,

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but I just wanted to highlight the process of declaring racism as a public health crisis at the local level.

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Milwaukee County and City was the first in the nation to do this.

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And as you can see, there’s a huge problem with segregation as discrimination, poverty,

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housing values led pretty much every health issue you could think of even now.

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but just acknowledging some of the work that was done over time to finally declare the elephant in the

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city or the county of racism and how it was how it continues to contribute to negative health outcomes.

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so does acknowledging Dr. Khama Jones as president of that ring ring the alarm that we needed to make a declaration?

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And then my good colleague and friend, Lily Payne,

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who worked to help make this possible at the state of Wisconsin through the Wisconsin Public Health Association.

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And then my colleague, Kobrick Shah, who was the director of the Office of African-American Affairs,

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who basically helped to make the county declaration first in the city.

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We were able to follow through two months after. Another point is we also worked to create a city county task force on climate and Economic Equity.

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We have to talk about the role of climate change and its impact on communities of color.

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As we’re seeing now, every time we’re seeing more and more natural disasters and who’s being impacted most.

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Next slide, please. And this is just kind of moving through to the pandemic is the city we established the Board of Health in twenty nineteen,

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make sure that that Board of Health reflected the diversity of the city and then moving through the pandemic.

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The fact that we were aware and we were being intentional about the role of racism in health outcomes and policy,

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we were able to prioritize gathering data on race and ethnicity early in our collective response,

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and we were sharing it in real time and then ended up getting national traction.

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And it also helped other communities see that it was important to know who was being most impacted by covid-19 to recalibrate outreach strategies,

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testing sites, now vaccination sites,

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because we had this level of heightened level of awareness that this was important for us to capture now for research purposes by any means,

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but to take action for practice and implementation. Next slide, please.

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And then just kind of wrapping this up quickly.

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So from that point on, we were ringing the alarm that there was an issue, that we had limited resources.

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We were waiting for Kahrizak funding. There was a number of local foundations that help bridge the gap so that federal money came in.

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We also invested in communities or businesses of color to help with mass production as well as outreach.

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So we’re trying to give money back to the community to help solve our own problems.

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So it wasn’t necessarily us coming in and trying to be the savior,

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but we were just trying to provide the resources so it could be meaningful and supported.

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So just acknowledging that and the fact that we also developed an anti-racism plan, each city department was required to do this.

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And this was in the wake of Brianna Taylor and George Clooney that the older persons in Milwaukee were like,

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OK, we know you made the declaration, but we need to move this into action much more quickly.

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So that really helped to advance some more specific efforts, which I don’t have time to talk about needing a Q&A, but just wrapping up.

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I think this is the last slide, just again, thanking those that really helped to move this work forward,

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and I mentioned their names already, but I also didn’t mention Dr. Arjun’s and Dr. John Powell.

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But just acknowledging this is a collective effort that is tiring.

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It’s very emotional and draining, but that we have to continue to push forward and be strategic about how we can use policy to bring

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about change and also understand that it’s not as easy and clear cut as some people may think.

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We have to be savvy. Sadly, you have to infiltrate the system. You have to understand and not everybody is on the same boat as everybody that’s

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watching this webinar and embracing even the term of saying racism and anti-racism.

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So we have to figure out how do we get in there so that we can dismantle it.

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So thank you for your time. Thank you very much, Janette, for your.

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When your insights, you know, I spent some time in Milwaukee as a reporter and I.

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I loved it, I enjoyed it, but it has yeah, you’re right,

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Milwaukee has a way of just capturing your heart and just squeezing really tight right every time,

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because what I’ve learned in my travels and working across the country now coming back home to the south,

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is that really Milwaukee has been a national case study, just about everything from health to housing to education.

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You know, remember Dr. Howard Fuller there and all his work. And I’m like, so I’m very glad you were able to present and give us some insight on the.

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Thank you. So final presentation will be made by I’m just going to call a human rights activist, Mandy Carter.

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So mandate. You ready? Yes, I am. And by the way, I have to say huge.

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Thank you to Eduardo and Jeanette. I’m so happy to be a part of the conversation.

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Actually, I’m really kind of bringing in more of an interesting kind of grassroots kind of part of the conversation.

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I would say to both Jeanette and Eduardo the notion about the changing of hearts and minds and the changing of public policy or even medical policy.

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So I’m going to just start by making a couple of observations.

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I live here in Durham, North Carolina, and I think the recent stats and anyone can correct me if I’m wrong, but right now,

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women are the are the numerical majority in all or were are 100 North Carolina counties, as is the whole country.

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So that’s one demographic. The other one is by 2050, if not sooner, this country will be majority people of color,

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keeping in mind who was already here indigenous to these lands. And the one that I find most fascinating and it might have just came out recently,

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is that all of our post-World War two baby boomers born between 1946 and 64, we are outnumbered now, not in a good way, but those who are 18 to 40.

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So the question would be, how can we do a intentional, multigenerational, intergenerational kind of conversation?

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And the one that I really, really want to talk a lot about is one of the issues of housing insecurity or housing.

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That’s the piece that I want to then I’m most interested in. I will be 73 in November, but this is going to be a lot of people like me at this point.

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I feel very fortunate right now that I happen to live in a very affordable place here in Durham, North Carolina.

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I can’t be guaranteed that that will continue on in any way, shape or form.

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That’s against a backdrop of being lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, chewier.

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Plus, how do we make sure that we have security of food, justice, housing, justice.

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But the housing one is that I’m most intrigued by and here’s why.

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If you look at the state of North Carolina, one of the things that that this state has done and we might even do an inventory,

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we wanted to they way overbuilt a number of these assisted living facilities.

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I think they’re called retirement communities. A lot of them had been built,

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but they’re sitting there empty and more people are now actually proactively buying land

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in which people can go out and actually create their own communities that they will.

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But I would like to know, as someone who is LGBTQ and black lesbian, I was homeless.

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I lived in an orphanage and a foster home. You age out at 18. I had no place to go.

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I had a car to live in, circumstances being what they are.

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How many people are doing that now and how that might be going into the future.

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But also, I’m also thinking of the demographic of being elder, like being elderly and being youth of color, LGBTQ.

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What would happen if we were either to buy this is just a thought either by and or put into community land trust some

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of these facilities in which people could actually occupy and make sure that they were kept in within the community.

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And that could be, you know, allies, great allies of color, age, demographics.

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But I think the intentionality, if we were to try maybe with Southerners on newground ground,

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now we’re in our 30th year coming up in 2023 and the National Black Justice Coalition,

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what if what if we were to start doing some conversations with organizations

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like the AARP or are thinking about thinking about Eduardo and even Janet?

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If you were like I’m looking at Milwaukee, if you were to think about what is this there now,

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are there options, are there alternatives about how you could secure housing permanently,

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not just temporarily, and how that could be done either through politics, through city council and so on and so forth?

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I’m just trying to think out loud about how how about how that might happen in terms

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of what the ability would be a couple of a couple of places that we already know.

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For those of you familiar with North Carolina or not, there’s a place called Carolwood Carroll, which is in Chapel Hill.

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And I think, Ubon, you’re going to put the the weblink in there.

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This is the international community where people are pretty progressive or they have kind of like minded, got together on this property.

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You can buy in or you can become a member of that literally.

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And then until your life in terms of what happens and then but it keeps that place going with other people continually moving into the community.

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And I would think that would be one option. That would be a possibility. But the Quakers, I guess this is a term that I’ve understood.

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It’s called the community,

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like what it is called the community community resource community in which you actually have an intentional community when you have buildings.

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There’s one in Greensborough right across the street from Guilford College, like a Quaker themed.

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But that could be replicated thinking about what that might mean.

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So I don’t want to belabor the point, but I was just going to ask both Eduardo and Jeanette, when you when you were talking about the snatch,

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you have been in the situations in which you’re looking at and demographically how this country is becoming more

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and more multigenerational my age and more what would be some overlays of what you shared in terms of medical?

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What what would be some more relay’s in terms of what could be done politically?

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For instance, during might be about ready to have to have its first ever woman of color mayor.

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That might happen. Boston is about ready to have their first ever woman of color mayor.

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So you see the demographics that that would be kind of played in as well.

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I think I also want to just just share that we have 11 historically black colleges and universities in the state of North Carolina.

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Could there be a way to have this conversation connected to you see Chapel Hill, some of the other schools,

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and think about how we could do maybe a ten year, twenty, thirty year plan down the line about how this could collectively work with people,

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like I said, grassroots organizers, in addition to doctors, politicians,

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people who are going to really be concerned about the welfare of the rest of us

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in the state and or how you could replicate that around the country as well.

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I’ll end with this. I want to put some I think I had given some links that I’ll also drop in here, drop in here as well.

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Something I was really struck by is that you have I’ll share one quick story before I end.

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I had a friend of mine who is a lesbian. She was living in a retirement community here in Durham.

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She couldn’t be out and we invited her to be a part of a program.

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She said, I can’t be out here, Mandy. I have no support in this community, in this particular community.

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She finally had to leave. Why was that the only options then?

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You have groups like Sage, which is over here in Raleigh trying to figure out how they can either build a

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community and or direct people to a community where you’re going to be welcomed,

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where you’re going to not be ashamed, where you feel like you can be part of the community to rid the rest of your life.

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In terms of how we would look out in terms of aging in the LGBT.

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You community, so I will end with this. I think that this is just a thought.

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I would love to hear any other people who might be interested in a similar conversation. Southerners on the ground will put the weblink in there,

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the National Black Justice Coalition another and also AARP, namely some other organizations as well.

407
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So I’ll end with that. Like I said, I like to have a place to live that’s going to be like forever.

408
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But I also want to do intentional and generational as well is what we can do to kind of make some change.

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And there you have the vision and the mission of southerners on the ground and also the National Black Justice Coalition.

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So when I said hearts and minds and public policy, how do we make this happen?

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Like it. Thank you. Thank you very much.

412
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And you know, when I think about your comments.

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I mean, we just want people to do. What’s right and what’s good, you know what I’m saying?

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I mean, that’s almost the bottom line when I think about it, when it comes to housing,

415
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affordable housing, definitely making sure our elder population is taken care of.

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But we want to do want things to be good and we want them to be right.

417
00:45:47,675 –> 00:45:57,735
And I think it was you know, Amanda was, you know, aiming some questions at you as well.

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For example, you know, in this time that we live in, I know you used the term sort of called what did you call it?

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This it’s this new racism, you know?

420
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And so I wanted to know, when you talk about new racism, how does that evolved?

421
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You know, especially in the last few years?

422
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You know, when you think about where we are now as a people, you know, even in the state of North Carolina,

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not to mention the country, but this new racism during this time of of a pandemic.

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And know the discrimination and the lack of equality and inclusion that’s happened even during this time.

425
00:46:48,375 –> 00:46:59,115
So explain that a little bit more for us. Yeah, let me begin by admitting the obvious, which is no system of domination works in only one way,

426
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meaning we have I think that the new racism is the hegemonic or dominant way in which we transact racial affairs and business.

427
00:47:09,375 –> 00:47:15,445
But obviously we still have the Klan and the proud boys and all kinds of boys and crazies out there.

428
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So so it’s possible to have both things, new racism as well as old racism and admittedly old racism has been growing in the last few years.

429
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But I still doubt they maintain the continuation of housing discrimination,

430
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discrimination in the streets, discrimination in health that is not done by the Klan.

431
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The Klan doesn’t have the numbers and the capacity to produce and reproduce racial domination.

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So that’s what I put the onus on regular white folks, because I think it’s nice white folks doing the right thing on a daily basis,

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living in their white neighborhoods, send their kids to high school, doing the right thing, eating white bread.

434
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That’s the fundamental way in which we produce and maintain a domination.

435
00:48:02,355 –> 00:48:10,785
So these comments about the housing, yet so we move from the older exclusionary techniques of the past.

436
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Yet putting a bomb, if a black family move into a white neighborhood to the now you see it,

437
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now you’re going to discrimination by realtors that steer people in different place.

438
00:48:22,905 –> 00:48:28,245
Developers think about we know these out there. Um, yeah. I’ve been here since two or five.

439
00:48:28,245 –> 00:48:33,735
And we know that the downtown of Durham has changed dramatically through condominiums,

440
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so-called urban renewal and development in the time we used to call them Negro removal.

441
00:48:39,955 –> 00:48:47,385
Everybody in what means we move black people away and then bring bring upper middle class whites.

442
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And that’s what is happening in downtown Durham. And lastly, connecting with Monday’s comment about what is to be done.

443
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I’m not on social movements yet. So if we have all these retirement communities that we’re built on our own, occupy it.

444
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What we need to do is build, build a movement to occupy them,

445
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to develop our own communities and force the head of the state for the city to deal with us.

446
00:49:14,025 –> 00:49:21,725
We cannot continue having people living in miserable conditions and being out of not being able to pay rent.

447
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Yeah.

448
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So let’s build a movement to tell folks, hey, if they have these Occupy places and we have a scarcity and housing problems, let’s take them over.

449
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That’s what we do in Latin America. We go and do it squatter settlement and then let’s fight it out.

450
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I do now spot a settlement. I have seen that, and I actually think it has worked in several places around the world.

451
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But first of all, before we continue on with more and then during our Q&A session, I just want everyone to know as a follow up to today’s webcast,

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the limited number of spots available to talk and a small discussion with each of our panelists is called to continue the conversation series.

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It’s free to register for this. It’s on your screen right now, and it’s a great chance to dig deeper into today’s discussion.

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You can join Ginnette on Tuesday,

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September twenty first at noon and ask her to further explain the correlation between health disparities and covid vaccinations.

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For example, Mandy Carter’s small group chat is Wednesday, September.

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Twenty second. She will likely have more to say about the organizing of models that link race, class, gender identity, the South and the pandemic.

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And you can speak more with Professor Eduardo Thursday, September.

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Twenty third.

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And you know, for example, Eduardo, what do you think it will take to get more people of color vaccinated, especially when we live in these times?

461
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You know, when I’m in a lot of people of color afraid to go to the doctor or like you said in your presentation,

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you go to the doctor and you treat it like you’re a drug addict, for example.

463
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Again, all are welcome to attend and to register for the Continue the Conversation series.

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And the registration links are in the chat and can be and can be found, of course, on them on the website.

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So each conversation begins at noon Eastern Time.

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So if you haven’t submitted your questions today for the Q&A, please do so.

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And we’d like to move on with more questions.

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You know, there was actually a comment at Wardo when you were mentioning something about black people of color.

469
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And just this the you know, we’ve always been thought that we were tougher, we didn’t feel pain or our skin was thicker.

470
00:52:02,095 –> 00:52:09,895
We know comments like those not only are racist, but it goes back to slavery, actually.

471
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But there are some people in the audience that like you to actually talk more about that and and how that may be playing a role in how,

472
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I guess, people of color are being treated at the doctor during this pandemic.

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If you can even get to see a doctor first of.

474
00:52:29,295 –> 00:52:41,235
Yeah, obviously, the person pulls a gun and it’s absolutely right, that mentality of black people can endure more pain, goes back to slavery.

475
00:52:41,235 –> 00:52:50,955
My concern is not just the legacy of slavery is how that old idea has remained have among so-called educated people yet.

476
00:52:50,955 –> 00:53:00,345
And that forces us to go back about systemic racism as a collective project, because in the social sciences and in society in general,

477
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we have said that the racist are the uneducated Southern working class white folks yet and now we’re dealing with educated people.

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Think about what I mentioned, 50 percent of medical trainees believe these nonsense.

479
00:53:14,445 –> 00:53:22,715
So therefore, we have to understand that the problem of racism is not just about, again, the poor, uneducated folks, but also got white folks.

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And let me end by making a controversial claim.

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When you have the dominant ideology out there, it will affect everybody, including including black and brown people.

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So we black and brown people believe to a certain extent this nonsense about having a tougher body.

483
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Yet there is a book by title Darwin’s Athletes.

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And in that book, the author shows how black people so we fight all the stereotypes about intelligence,

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morality, etc., etc. But then on the strength stuff, we say, well, obviously we are stronger than white people.

486
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We jump higher. We faster, etc. So we got to be careful that we don’t then end up in a silly corner,

487
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which we unfortunately accept elements of the prejudicial news against us.

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So we think it’s a positive stereotype, but it is not because if we buy the idea that we are superior physically,

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that has an impact on when do we choose to be a doctor as well as then.

490
00:54:28,355 –> 00:54:37,965
So we get it from both sides. But on the from the doctors misreading laws, but also from us not doing what we should do.

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I do not mean you’re vomiting blood. Go to the doctor. You don’t be thinking, oh, that’s nothing that is serious yet.

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And I like to add something from the maternal health, birth, justice,

493
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reproductive justice spring to just acknowledging the impact of racism on health outcomes,

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birth outcomes, maternal mortality, maternal morbidity in this country.

495
00:55:01,165 –> 00:55:07,555
The fact that we’re supposed to be so developed in our rates are what they are, is just unacceptable.

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And then the pushback that we receive as we’re trying to fight, you know, these policies and practices is just unbelievable.

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So I just want to share a couple of organizations and resources that are really trying to fight the good fight.

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My colleagues at the National Birth Equity Collaborative, Dr. Joy Gary Black, Momus Matter Alliance Sister Song,

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there is many others that are really working to fight racism through birth, justice work or advocating for birth, justice and reproductive justice.

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So I recommend definitely looking at what is being done and applying it to different areas in health care as well.

501
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Sometimes we see, you know, like maybe you’re in pediatrics, maybe you’re in geriatrics, you know,

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whatever area discipline within health care or even just, you know, practice in general, that there’s things that you can learn.

503
00:56:08,665 –> 00:56:16,975
There’s groups that are really progressive and really working on dismantling these racist policies and practices that you can learn something from.

504
00:56:16,975 –> 00:56:21,895
So just putting that out there as some resources that you could look at,

505
00:56:21,895 –> 00:56:27,565
if you’re trying to figure out where you fit in and how you can help advocate for change.

506
00:56:27,565 –> 00:56:34,105
Mm hmm. You know, and I like to follow up on that, Janet, because one thing I was going to say a perfect example.

507
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You’re in Milwaukee. I mean, you were in Milwaukee at one point. But there’s a great thing called the rootless center is in Detroit.

508
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And I want to just read briefly, because this is this would be a model.

509
00:56:43,075 –> 00:56:47,755
And by the way, when I mentioned the idea of either like if there’s homes or there’s buildings and facilities,

510
00:56:47,755 –> 00:56:53,785
do you have anything like that happening where you are? I know that there’s certainly here in Durham, Aguado,

511
00:56:53,785 –> 00:57:00,085
there’s been a lot of talk about possibility of homes and or building or whatever that might be some land.

512
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But what I love is that when I talked about grassroots,

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Ruth Ellis was one hundred year old black lesbian living in Detroit and she ended up being homeless.

514
00:57:08,095 –> 00:57:13,285
And this is a description, but I think that might get like a clue of how this could be replicated in.

515
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Ruth Ellis Center is a Detroit area social services agency that serves the needs of one way of runaway homeless and at risk lesbian,

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gay, bisexual and transgender LGBT youth.

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Among their services are now a drop in center, a street outreach program, Foster Home and Health, Health and Wellness Center.

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The center is named after Ruth Ellis synonym for her in honor of her allowing her home to come serve as a refuge for the African-American youth.

519
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So one idea of a woman who had already experienced that ended up being now an agency.

520
00:57:56,635 –> 00:58:02,095
But what I like about it, though, what I’m thinking about both you and Jeanette and also AVADO,

521
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it’s it’s the campus because they work with the social well, it’s social services on the campus not far from Detroit.

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They’re working with the welfare system.

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They’re working with youth, LGBT youth of color and having conversation in which they can really talk about who they are, safe spaces to be.

524
00:58:18,235 –> 00:58:21,895
But also some of them are thinking, wait a minute, I got my I got my break.

525
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How do I turn around and become like a grassroots kind of organizer, figuring out how also to relate to elders as well as you.

526
00:58:29,815 –> 00:58:35,515
So it’s an idea that just came out of her thinking I was homeless, I live in a car, what can I do?

527
00:58:35,515 –> 00:58:41,965
And now that has become really a good model. And I don’t know if you have anything like that at Duke Endor it where you are right now,

528
00:58:41,965 –> 00:58:46,765
but I think that’s one of those wonderful hearts and minds and public policy is a perfect example.

529
00:58:46,765 –> 00:58:54,405
I think that what I just want to share that, and I think it’s Ruth Ellis Center. Doug, if we can put into the chat right there.

530
00:58:54,405 –> 00:59:02,535
Just wanted to share that grief. One other point that I think you raise, too, is like, how do you get started?

531
00:59:02,535 –> 00:59:12,015
Right. You know, we have this system where we’ll change policy, but people still have immediate needs in the community or at the local level.

532
00:59:12,015 –> 00:59:18,435
So what? Like we are waiting for covid funding to come eventually showed up, but there was still needs.

533
00:59:18,435 –> 00:59:23,295
People needed groceries, people needed medication, transportation, who’s providing it?

534
00:59:23,295 –> 00:59:31,125
And, you know, there’s, of course, like United Way chapters or groups and pretty much every city and a lot of them.

535
00:59:31,125 –> 00:59:36,465
We’re doing a lot of investment in these startup initiatives, local initiatives.

536
00:59:36,465 –> 00:59:40,165
But even others like you might have someone that has good intentions.

537
00:59:40,165 –> 00:59:44,085
They have a good connection with the community. They’re trusted.

538
00:59:44,085 –> 00:59:51,435
They have the passion, but they don’t have the resources, meaning like the money to get it started or even a knowledge of how do I set this up.

539
00:59:51,435 –> 01:00:01,185
So how are foundations and local governments and state governments, how are they investing in getting these things off of the ground?

540
01:00:01,185 –> 01:00:07,875
And oftentimes you’ll see you’ll see the same players in every city where, like everybody knows, are certain agencies.

541
01:00:07,875 –> 01:00:14,445
They always get the grants. But what about others that are trying to get going and don’t know how to get their foot in the door?

542
01:00:14,445 –> 01:00:20,265
So there has to be more investment in capacity building. And that’s also a form of reparations to invest.

543
01:00:20,265 –> 01:00:23,835
It doesn’t have to be so complicated and so much paperwork to get the money,

544
01:00:23,835 –> 01:00:30,045
especially if it’s like for like thirty thousand dollars or a small amount, sometimes more trouble than it’s worth.

545
01:00:30,045 –> 01:00:36,585
So I’m just reflecting on some of the things I’ve been exposed to recently and where it’s like, can we believe in Black Lives Matter?

546
01:00:36,585 –> 01:00:40,845
But we’re just going to give you ten thousand dollars. It’s like, what is that doing, Grant?

547
01:00:40,845 –> 01:00:47,805
Ten thousand dollars isn’t money, but to get something really going, there has to not be a one time drop in the bucket.

548
01:00:47,805 –> 01:00:52,575
There should be longer term investments. And as you know, was the ten year plan,

549
01:00:52,575 –> 01:01:02,065
things should be longer range and not with all of this red tape and loopholes to try to trip people up so they lose their funding.

550
01:01:02,065 –> 01:01:09,865
I agree, and we actually here in Durham, we have a thing called Fed Up, Fed Up, and I think, like one said it once a week or once a month,

551
01:01:09,865 –> 01:01:17,485
they organize with El Centro Hispano and in the African-American community and they actually give out food resources.

552
01:01:17,485 –> 01:01:20,095
They’re giving covid shots, that kind of thing that like you said,

553
01:01:20,095 –> 01:01:24,955
it’s not just a one shot, but there’s a consistent continuity of how that might happen.

554
01:01:24,955 –> 01:01:29,005
And also all just to both of you as well. How about that town gown dynamic?

555
01:01:29,005 –> 01:01:31,735
Right, the college campuses. And then there’s the community.

556
01:01:31,735 –> 01:01:36,745
And where is the intentionality sometimes about how you can bridge that and or create something

557
01:01:36,745 –> 01:01:40,885
that could be something that could be like a collaboration or something going forward.

558
01:01:40,885 –> 01:01:44,605
So that would be potential. And you already mentioned a lot of that, Ginnette as well.

559
01:01:44,605 –> 01:01:48,985
But I think that’s another part. And we have a fourth congressional district coming into North Carolina.

560
01:01:48,985 –> 01:01:50,875
A lot of people are moving here.

561
01:01:50,875 –> 01:01:57,385
And how would they even know where to look, how they can be a part of and, you know, join into the effort both in terms of youth and elders?

562
01:01:57,385 –> 01:02:01,405
Both would be great. So that’s why I.

563
01:02:01,405 –> 01:02:12,535
It’s it’s a lot going on, it’s a lot to do, and I would like to think and hope that in our audience there are a lot of young researchers out there,

564
01:02:12,535 –> 01:02:24,985
not just all researchers, middle age researchers, professors, students, folks that that really want to make a change.

565
01:02:24,985 –> 01:02:32,815
One question was, what do you feel?

566
01:02:32,815 –> 01:02:48,265
That would be most effective in trying to get the white people in powerful positions to actually listen to the facts about structural racism,

567
01:02:48,265 –> 01:02:59,965
because we know and a lot of the conversations, the folks that are talking about what needs to be done and the people who need help.

568
01:02:59,965 –> 01:03:07,045
You know, all people of color, when we know we’re still not quite the majority yet, right, man?

569
01:03:07,045 –> 01:03:15,055
I mean, I in twenty twenty, that’s what I was told when I was in and out 20, 20, but now it’s more like 20, 50.

570
01:03:15,055 –> 01:03:20,065
So still it’s still a lot of people that hold the purse strings and the power.

571
01:03:20,065 –> 01:03:20,845
And, you know,

572
01:03:20,845 –> 01:03:34,315
how do we what’s going to make people change that dynamic and actually make actually it an easy transition to an there’ll be so many people

573
01:03:34,315 –> 01:03:45,865
of color in the United States that are going to have to figure out a way to work together and be friends and respect one another as well.

574
01:03:45,865 –> 01:03:49,465
And that has got to have a house, right. Everybody’s got to be able to go to school.

575
01:03:49,465 –> 01:03:52,115
Everybody’s got to have a job. A job.

576
01:03:52,115 –> 01:04:03,225
But you aren’t exposed to a virus is like covid can’t always be, you know, people of color fighting that fight, so.

577
01:04:03,225 –> 01:04:08,595
How we go about with this conversation, even Eduardo, you know,

578
01:04:08,595 –> 01:04:17,205
and not just of your Angry Birds slight, I can’t understand why the sentiment is the white resentment.

579
01:04:17,205 –> 01:04:20,325
By the way, let me take a quick stop the question.

580
01:04:20,325 –> 01:04:28,905
Obviously, we in the academy believe that the way out is through education and rational conversation, dialog, webinars,

581
01:04:28,905 –> 01:04:34,935
etc. I’m not putting down the podcast of the webinar, but let me tell you, if you want change you can believe in.

582
01:04:34,935 –> 01:04:40,215
You got to make it happen. And you don’t make it happen with a book. You don’t make happen with a conversation.

583
01:04:40,215 –> 01:04:45,825
Again, I’m not saying we don’t need education or conversations or webinars, but we need this social movement.

584
01:04:45,825 –> 01:04:50,985
We saw what happened to the police brutality.

585
01:04:50,985 –> 01:04:57,795
The murder of George Floyd led to a social movement that, to be honest, none of us predicted yet.

586
01:04:57,795 –> 01:05:03,205
And it was massive, national and international and all of us all in the mind.

587
01:05:03,205 –> 01:05:12,905
The university is not the same man. We were bad and they were like, we’re going to give you 10000, go to the 10000 dollars.

588
01:05:12,905 –> 01:05:20,385
I don’t think so. We need reparations. My calculation is you owe me 50 million dollars, you know.

589
01:05:20,385 –> 01:05:27,975
So I think that we all the we want to talk and have conversations sometimes that may be metaphorical.

590
01:05:27,975 –> 01:05:34,275
A strong a storm well thrown does more for change, not a conversation.

591
01:05:34,275 –> 01:05:38,415
So I put down this and try of social movement politics. Right.

592
01:05:38,415 –> 01:05:46,935
I’m thinking that just voting for Democrats or having a nice conversation with with one of your white colleagues will do the change.

593
01:05:46,935 –> 01:05:51,255
You want to change hearts and minds. Sometimes you need to have social protest.

594
01:05:51,255 –> 01:05:57,165
I mean, how do we abolish slavery? How did we end apartheid in the country?

595
01:05:57,165 –> 01:06:05,205
And now I think we have the impasse and folks are telling us to sort of be rational, be quiet, be nice.

596
01:06:05,205 –> 01:06:14,175
And I like, you know, nice is good but doesn’t pay. It doesn’t it doesn’t get you to the Promised Land.

597
01:06:14,175 –> 01:06:18,135
Go ahead, Jeanette, because I had something to share. Go ahead. Oh, you can go with.

598
01:06:18,135 –> 01:06:24,015
Well, I have a question and it’s a rhetorical question. And I’ll be honest.

599
01:06:24,015 –> 01:06:31,305
I mean, there are times when people meet and we’re trying to figure out how we would do a collective we and there are people saying,

600
01:06:31,305 –> 01:06:37,155
I’m not interested in working with any white people. I’m not interested in working with any people of color.

601
01:06:37,155 –> 01:06:43,965
So if there are people who are the bridge builders who intentionally try to figure out how they can be the builders between different communities,

602
01:06:43,965 –> 01:06:50,685
conversation, culture and everyone saying no, the only way is this what I tend to think.

603
01:06:50,685 –> 01:06:57,675
This is just me. And I’d be curious to hear both of your reactions. I think we live in a both and not an either or.

604
01:06:57,675 –> 01:07:00,435
But I just been really struck. I got to go to Africa.

605
01:07:00,435 –> 01:07:08,115
I don’t know, many years ago and I had this whole romantic vision of what I thought going to the motherland and to flight.

606
01:07:08,115 –> 01:07:14,355
You had to get there by going to England. You get getting these fancy planes and you fly into Zimbabwe.

607
01:07:14,355 –> 01:07:20,205
You know, we were horribly horrified by what I saw in terms of what I thought the vision would be.

608
01:07:20,205 –> 01:07:26,835
But everyone had a cell phone to the ear. It was just not I’m not I’m not being disrespectful.

609
01:07:26,835 –> 01:07:33,195
But I think sometimes when we think about cultural change and who we are and how we embrace our ethnicity and culture,

610
01:07:33,195 –> 01:07:35,425
and then when you go visit someplace, the reality,

611
01:07:35,425 –> 01:07:41,155
what it is there and the and the incredible impact of the United States, Coca-Cola signs everywhere.

612
01:07:41,155 –> 01:07:44,965
Right. Street, you know, the whole thing around countries being.

613
01:07:44,965 –> 01:07:50,475
But when I came back and I was trying to have this conversation, people said, Mandy, don’t waste your time.

614
01:07:50,475 –> 01:07:53,835
You know, there’s no need to do all that going to Africa and all that other stuff.

615
01:07:53,835 –> 01:07:57,495
And not no disrespect, but none of the people said what we need to figure out.

616
01:07:57,495 –> 01:08:01,635
How do we have conversations with our people? How where you might define that.

617
01:08:01,635 –> 01:08:09,135
And now currently trying to do a lot of organizing here in Durham, in North Carolina, we have some incredible, important races coming up.

618
01:08:09,135 –> 01:08:13,605
And some people thinking, I don’t want I don’t do politics. I don’t bother waste a vote.

619
01:08:13,605 –> 01:08:16,635
It’s a waste of time. So I want the both of you to tell me,

620
01:08:16,635 –> 01:08:24,555
is it a waste of time voting and or working in partnership and trying to figure out how we make it a collective we versus a voting and or,

621
01:08:24,555 –> 01:08:28,305
you know, us and them? I think I’m throwing that out to both of you just so.

622
01:08:28,305 –> 01:08:36,765
Yeah. Yes. No good. Go for it. I’m glad you chose that, because you know that when I was thinking of all of the harmful policies and practices,

623
01:08:36,765 –> 01:08:43,695
I was thinking about elections and poll taxes and exams and all of these things

624
01:08:43,695 –> 01:08:48,285
that were done to really prevent our ancestors from being able to vote.

625
01:08:48,285 –> 01:08:53,505
And we’re seeing all of this. We surface now. You can’t get some food or water where they’re waiting in line.

626
01:08:53,505 –> 01:09:00,405
That was another thing I dealt with in Milwaukee where we were trying to delay the election because of the pandemic.

627
01:09:00,405 –> 01:09:08,085
Right. We knew that people gathering and there masks were just kind of coming in is seen as something that we should embrace.

628
01:09:08,085 –> 01:09:16,005
No vaccine. But our Supreme Court in Wisconsin said, OK, or they said we still had to move forward with that election.

629
01:09:16,005 –> 01:09:21,165
And we were very, very afraid that people were going to be more exposed.

630
01:09:21,165 –> 01:09:26,325
And we knew who mainly goes to the polls is black and brown people not necessarily doing

631
01:09:26,325 –> 01:09:31,455
mail in ballots because we don’t trust it or there’s skepticism about it from the past.

632
01:09:31,455 –> 01:09:39,195
So just even like that experience alone in twenty twenty and what we’ve seen, I mean, like with Georgia, for instance,

633
01:09:39,195 –> 01:09:47,835
and just being able to really flip the Senate or get us to a better place, the momentum is there, but it’s discouraging.

634
01:09:47,835 –> 01:09:58,875
And it’s just me as a black woman saying this is discouraging to see how, you know, what we think is logical and fair is for certain people,

635
01:09:58,875 –> 01:10:07,845
for white folks that are in power versus us, where if we try to follow the same recipe, it doesn’t yield the same results.

636
01:10:07,845 –> 01:10:13,755
So I can understand why many people and I’m hear more and more that are there, like I’m not voting.

637
01:10:13,755 –> 01:10:20,325
This is you know, they’re just playing us. They’re, you know, they say a lot of discouraging things because of what they’re saying.

638
01:10:20,325 –> 01:10:27,945
And part of that, to me is an opportunity to just take a moment and pause and to figure out the strategy.

639
01:10:27,945 –> 01:10:33,915
If we’re not happy with our candidates or who we have in office, it’s a ripe opportunity to organize.

640
01:10:33,915 –> 01:10:37,335
And I know even running for office is a very daunting process.

641
01:10:37,335 –> 01:10:41,595
How do you even do it? You know, most people couldn’t tell you how do you get on a ballot?

642
01:10:41,595 –> 01:10:46,365
Also being concerned about having the money to actually to run a successful campaign.

643
01:10:46,365 –> 01:10:51,855
If you want to run for mayor and city of Milwaukee, you have to have at least half a million to a million dollars.

644
01:10:51,855 –> 01:10:56,775
The mayor that’s currently in it was in for 17 years. Just leave leaving to be the ambassador Luxembourg.

645
01:10:56,775 –> 01:11:01,065
So all of these people are starting to come out of the woodwork that they’re going to run for his seat.

646
01:11:01,065 –> 01:11:04,545
Do they have that money in the bank to run a successful campaign?

647
01:11:04,545 –> 01:11:14,025
So that can be very intimidating, too, especially if, you know, as a black and brown person that you are not making the same amount as a white man.

648
01:11:14,025 –> 01:11:18,975
So how are you going to get that money to be able to run a successful campaign?

649
01:11:18,975 –> 01:11:28,185
The other thing, too, is your background. You know, some of us have things in our background where we may not necessarily be too proud of them.

650
01:11:28,185 –> 01:11:31,515
But when you run for office, they’re going to start digging into your background.

651
01:11:31,515 –> 01:11:38,325
The media is going to start sharing what’s going on with you, trying to embarrass you and discourage you from moving forward.

652
01:11:38,325 –> 01:11:43,815
And it’s just all of these these things that can be just so overwhelming,

653
01:11:43,815 –> 01:11:49,455
really good people that would be wonderful in office don’t run because they don’t want to deal with all of that,

654
01:11:49,455 –> 01:11:53,985
nor do they even necessarily understand the whole process of being able to move forward.

655
01:11:53,985 –> 01:12:02,505
So there needs to be better support and grooming and getting people in office that actually care and are from the community.

656
01:12:02,505 –> 01:12:05,595
Just because someone looks like us doesn’t mean they represent us.

657
01:12:05,595 –> 01:12:14,145
And we have to stop playing that game, too, you know, because we have people that are some of our own worst enemies that are from our community.

658
01:12:14,145 –> 01:12:18,915
So it’s like knowing whose real it was fake, you know, for instance.

659
01:12:18,915 –> 01:12:27,435
And then the other point that I wanted to make in relation to one of the earlier comments was about what is going on now, how do we change people?

660
01:12:27,435 –> 01:12:33,195
And I honestly just see my faith as a Christian, just believe we are in this spiritual battle.

661
01:12:33,195 –> 01:12:38,715
And what we’re trying to fight right now is you see this demonic energy,

662
01:12:38,715 –> 01:12:46,785
like how these people are having these outbursts over masks, over being asked for a vaccine car, all of this stuff.

663
01:12:46,785 –> 01:12:53,955
And it just makes no sense. Like if we carry on like that, we would be in jail, probably shot or something like that.

664
01:12:53,955 –> 01:12:57,915
But you just see this double standard of how people are acting and getting away with it.

665
01:12:57,915 –> 01:13:08,475
And this is just a high time to get spiritually grounded and get with other folks so that we can work to make change,

666
01:13:08,475 –> 01:13:14,805
because just trying to do our usual, read a book, go through training, all of that is great.

667
01:13:14,805 –> 01:13:21,135
But we have to make sure the spiritual element of this is included. Three.

668
01:13:21,135 –> 01:13:32,755
Yeah, when you were speaking about, you know, you know, kind of putting your your money where your mouth is in a way, you know, putting your.

669
01:13:32,755 –> 01:13:44,335
Place to move forward and speak your truth and just participating in the electoral process in some way in your community,

670
01:13:44,335 –> 01:13:50,005
because if you don’t, you’ll never get the outcomes that you want and need.

671
01:13:50,005 –> 01:13:54,355
And and when you’re talking about that man, Anjanette, guess what?

672
01:13:54,355 –> 01:14:02,305
One of my favorite people just had a birthday yesterday and had I did not send her a car yet,

673
01:14:02,305 –> 01:14:09,085
but yesterday was a former congresswoman Eva Claytons birthday.

674
01:14:09,085 –> 01:14:15,515
Yes. Please try to keep that on my calendar. But now I have to I want to put it out here.

675
01:14:15,515 –> 01:14:20,335
So now maybe that’s better than a car, right? I think I put a party in the mail.

676
01:14:20,335 –> 01:14:29,245
Man do you have a direct question someone wants to know? Can you just talk a little bit about community land trust efforts locally?

677
01:14:29,245 –> 01:14:34,225
Really, you know, how viable of an option is that still today?

678
01:14:34,225 –> 01:14:38,695
I guess it was saying it’s definitely important today. It’s needed.

679
01:14:38,695 –> 01:14:46,345
Well, the one that I’m most familiar with, I live here on not far from West Chapel Hill Street, the Durham Community Land Trust Fund.

680
01:14:46,345 –> 01:14:54,175
They’re all over the country. And what it is like the neighborhood I live in, for instance, is like it’s really diverse.

681
01:14:54,175 –> 01:14:58,075
But but the home, you get a home, but that home state.

682
01:14:58,075 –> 01:15:01,635
So whether you come or go, we’re not the home stays in that community.

683
01:15:01,635 –> 01:15:07,975
And we were thinking earlier, like these these buildings that are sitting here empty, what would happen if you secured a building,

684
01:15:07,975 –> 01:15:15,025
but then it would stay in westward forever, whatever that term is, because it’s not built on one person.

685
01:15:15,025 –> 01:15:20,095
It’s just the idea about you literally pool your resources in order to own a home,

686
01:15:20,095 –> 01:15:24,125
make sure the home stays within the community affordable, whatever that might mean.

687
01:15:24,125 –> 01:15:29,965
So that’s just one example. And there’s a whole network of a land trust around the country.

688
01:15:29,965 –> 01:15:36,895
When I’ve been really intrigued by speaking of the klayton, all those black farmers that are living out here in north eastern North Carolina.

689
01:15:36,895 –> 01:15:40,675
One of the interesting issues that has come up is that a lot of these black farmers,

690
01:15:40,675 –> 01:15:45,835
they have been in their families, but also it could be other farmers as well, Latin, whatever.

691
01:15:45,835 –> 01:15:50,765
What happens if they’re not interested in keeping the farm? Well, that land needs to stay in the community.

692
01:15:50,765 –> 01:15:54,625
So so it’s not based on any individual. So I think it’s those unique.

693
01:15:54,625 –> 01:15:58,375
How would you figure out legally or structurally or whatever.

694
01:15:58,375 –> 01:16:01,795
So the land because what’s happening now, someone doesn’t want it.

695
01:16:01,795 –> 01:16:06,565
They’re going to come in and snap it up with those hog farms out there and they shouldn’t be there.

696
01:16:06,565 –> 01:16:14,455
So if a Clayton, I have to just give her props. She was just so determined about the black farmers in the state of North Carolina as an example.

697
01:16:14,455 –> 01:16:20,365
But then how do you keep them, if not wanting to keep it, carrying on with the children and so on and so forth.

698
01:16:20,365 –> 01:16:25,825
But land trust, I think, is a unique idea. I think it’s a good one and it can be replicated in a lot of communities.

699
01:16:25,825 –> 01:16:32,305
I’m in fact, I was going to say, Jeanette, do you have any of that kind of same similar thing where actual homes are owned by not an individual,

700
01:16:32,305 –> 01:16:37,405
but by a community or land trust to support the state and the community of some sort worldwide?

701
01:16:37,405 –> 01:16:42,875
Or if you’re even familiar with that as well, that concept of just keeping it within the community?

702
01:16:42,875 –> 01:16:44,305
I’m hearing more about it.

703
01:16:44,305 –> 01:16:55,045
And then in Milwaukee, there’s a number of younger black people that are doing development and trying to reinvest in the community,

704
01:16:55,045 –> 01:17:02,095
also taking advantage of the city’s program where they take over like properties that were,

705
01:17:02,095 –> 01:17:06,355
you know, they lost the owner, lost it because they couldn’t pay their taxes or whatever,

706
01:17:06,355 –> 01:17:13,855
and then reselling it to to folks so that they could maintain that it’s a local property.

707
01:17:13,855 –> 01:17:21,535
Big problem when a lot of these investors out of state investors buying up properties and jacking up the rents and folks are you know,

708
01:17:21,535 –> 01:17:29,665
they can’t afford it or you have multiple families in a house because it’s like twenty four, three thousand a month or some crazy amount.

709
01:17:29,665 –> 01:17:37,045
So it’s like what protections are being done? What are some ways that policy can really help protect the community from that?

710
01:17:37,045 –> 01:17:41,665
Because you see people capitalizing on this and just kind of, you know, chomping at the bit,

711
01:17:41,665 –> 01:17:48,025
waiting for these evictions to go through for so many people that are underemployed,

712
01:17:48,025 –> 01:17:52,495
unemployed because of the pain they make, people that are on the brink of foreclosure.

713
01:17:52,495 –> 01:18:00,475
So, you know, I’m I’m worried about twenty, twenty two, but we start seeing a lot of the effects of the pandemic of people being displaced

714
01:18:00,475 –> 01:18:05,935
because they couldn’t afford to keep up with their rent or their mortgage. And what’s going to happen?

715
01:18:05,935 –> 01:18:14,185
What’s going to be done to save people so they’re not being forced into homelessness or moving in safe conditions or whatever.

716
01:18:14,185 –> 01:18:20,495
So and then we have situations going on now back.

717
01:18:20,495 –> 01:18:27,955
I will speak to personally, you know, in this time, when you look at communities where housing is so tight,

718
01:18:27,955 –> 01:18:35,895
you know, how does one be forced out of their home? During a time, how did you find another home,

719
01:18:35,895 –> 01:18:41,625
especially if you’re trying to take care of your health and your family’s health and probably keep your job at the same time?

720
01:18:41,625 –> 01:18:46,605
I know that’s a lot to think about, but maybe a few quick comments from everyone.

721
01:18:46,605 –> 01:18:57,535
Sadly, to wrap up, it’s gone by so fast. But any words for us this late afternoon?

722
01:18:57,535 –> 01:19:03,505
From me, I just want to say that obviously I vote for electoral politics later,

723
01:19:03,505 –> 01:19:13,075
but I do want to put the focus of of politics in the U.S. I was born in the U.S. fifty nine years ago, and I cannot believe you are 73.

724
01:19:13,075 –> 01:19:17,755
You look really good. Let me go to you. Let me when I’m 59, born.

725
01:19:17,755 –> 01:19:21,205
The U.S. was raised in the territory of Puerto Rico.

726
01:19:21,205 –> 01:19:28,645
And I can tell you something that the idea of up in the U.S. politics is restricted for most people,

727
01:19:28,645 –> 01:19:32,395
something that is just electoral politics, both every four years.

728
01:19:32,395 –> 01:19:42,125
That is nonsensical. In truth, the wealth of historical evidence shows if you want fundamental change, you got to get organized.

729
01:19:42,125 –> 01:19:47,155
Amanda, I do agree that it’s not just we blacks and Latinos we put.

730
01:19:47,155 –> 01:19:52,435
Yeah. So I am in coalition with anyone with an anti racist as got it, Major.

731
01:19:52,435 –> 01:19:57,265
I’m in college with anyone who is a progressive, yet I wasn’t.

732
01:19:57,265 –> 01:20:02,275
And then also we were thrown back in the day. Well it’s all about class.

733
01:20:02,275 –> 01:20:09,055
Yeah. So get, get, get behind the class movement and that will deal with the race gender dilemmas.

734
01:20:09,055 –> 01:20:16,135
So I just want to make a really strong comment that we need to expand our notion of politics

735
01:20:16,135 –> 01:20:22,435
and think about this Intralytix of social movement to change the world like a man.

736
01:20:22,435 –> 01:20:23,875
Any parting words?

737
01:20:23,875 –> 01:20:29,275
I was just going to say, what I love is that the fact that I’m meeting these two wonderful people, we’re going to continue this conversation.

738
01:20:29,275 –> 01:20:37,645
This is what is kind of about the plus in, you know, and hear the words that I really make my day being intentional,

739
01:20:37,645 –> 01:20:42,025
being proactive and also making some changes and taking some risk.

740
01:20:42,025 –> 01:20:46,735
You don’t get things because you’re guaranteeing anything. You figure out how do we make it a collective we going forward.

741
01:20:46,735 –> 01:20:52,105
So I look forward to I want to be on your your your thing, Jenette, and on yours as well, Eduardo.

742
01:20:52,105 –> 01:20:58,345
But I want to continue the conversation. And thank you, UNC Chapel Hill and also what the twenty seventh annual to be a part of this.

743
01:20:58,345 –> 01:21:03,295
I’m humbled and honored to be a part of it. I’ll pass it on to you, Janet. Yes.

744
01:21:03,295 –> 01:21:09,925
So close. And it’s absolutely when the opportunity came about to be on this panel, I was like, oh, you know,

745
01:21:09,925 –> 01:21:15,365
learning more about each of you and the work that you do and just so honored to be a part of this group.

746
01:21:15,365 –> 01:21:22,075
So I’m looking forward to building further and just acknowledging that everything happens for a reason.

747
01:21:22,075 –> 01:21:26,185
And the timing of this is right where we’re at right now as a country, as a people.

748
01:21:26,185 –> 01:21:32,815
And one other thing that I didn’t mention that I would just want to stress is this kind of old fashioned public health policy,

749
01:21:32,815 –> 01:21:42,565
like what is a law if it’s not enforced? Right. There’s some of those old school like anticipating laws on the books from the pandemic of 1918,

750
01:21:42,565 –> 01:21:46,825
you know, and just other random obscure laws that are on the books that nothing’s in force.

751
01:21:46,825 –> 01:21:55,045
So when people make comments about, oh, we’ll follow the law and the law, but it’s like, OK, you don’t fairly enforce it.

752
01:21:55,045 –> 01:22:02,485
And that that’s where the problem lies. So it’s holding people accountable, whether they’re law enforcement, district attorneys,

753
01:22:02,485 –> 01:22:09,085
judges, other elected officials and employers, even, that they’re doing things in a fair way.

754
01:22:09,085 –> 01:22:17,305
We have technology now. We can document we have receipts. So just holding true to that, keeping documentation and evidence.

755
01:22:17,305 –> 01:22:22,855
And don’t be discouraged because you saw, you know, someone had a video of something and nothing took place.

756
01:22:22,855 –> 01:22:31,345
I mean, Rodney King, we all saw that years ago. But it’s really holding true to the truth and that we will see the other side of this.

757
01:22:31,345 –> 01:22:37,135
But we have to continue to be strategic about how we go about this and aligning with like minded people,

758
01:22:37,135 –> 01:22:42,175
but also listening to those that don’t share the same views with us, because we also have to know where people stand.

759
01:22:42,175 –> 01:22:45,715
So everybody agrees with this and automatically dismiss them.

760
01:22:45,715 –> 01:22:52,105
You know, spirit changes hearts and those hearts, like I saw the poll, for instance.

761
01:22:52,105 –> 01:22:59,305
So just acknowledging that not to give up hope and also make sure you taking care of yourself when you need a break,

762
01:22:59,305 –> 01:23:08,215
because it’s really in order now more than ever that you’re taking regular arrests and breaks from everything that’s going on in the world.

763
01:23:08,215 –> 01:23:22,315
So thank you. And thank you all very much for taking part in this discussion today and hopefully everyone will register to continue the conversation.

764
01:23:22,315 –> 01:23:31,165
When I was when I think of this particular webcast, you know, this is as you know, I can’t help.

765
01:23:31,165 –> 01:23:35,995
But I had a conversation I had earlier this year with Dr. James Hildreth,

766
01:23:35,995 –> 01:23:40,555
and he’s like the president of Meharry Medical College in Nashville, Tennessee.

767
01:23:40,555 –> 01:23:45,625
And that’s one of the oldest historically black medical and dental colleges in the country.

768
01:23:45,625 –> 01:23:53,665
And we’re talking about, you know, who is a guinea pig, who we’re talking about covid-19.

769
01:23:53,665 –> 01:23:57,735
We’re talking about vaccinations. We’re talking about testing.

770
01:23:57,735 –> 01:24:05,635
You know, I was hearing, you know, when I would talk to sometimes even people of color, like, I don’t really want to be a guinea pig, you know?

771
01:24:05,635 –> 01:24:08,965
And so I said, well, Dr. Hildreth, who is a guinea pig, you know,

772
01:24:08,965 –> 01:24:14,605
how do you convince a group of people who have a justified fear of the health care

773
01:24:14,605 –> 01:24:22,525
establishment that they are not a guinea pig if they say get the covid-19 vaccine?

774
01:24:22,525 –> 01:24:26,545
And the Hillary said, well, first of all, there has to be trust.

775
01:24:26,545 –> 01:24:35,605
It always comes back to trust, doesn’t it? And he says so in Nashville, when I read that this infectious disease researcher,

776
01:24:35,605 –> 01:24:40,015
he made sure that he was definitely one of the first people to get vaccinated

777
01:24:40,015 –> 01:24:45,925
in his community and then made his wife get back to his family and so on.

778
01:24:45,925 –> 01:24:54,205
And then second, he continues to educate the community and saying pretty much at this point, it’s really too late by getting vaccinated.

779
01:24:54,205 –> 01:24:59,695
Now, you can’t be a guinea pig because so many millions and millions of people have come before you.

780
01:24:59,695 –> 01:25:13,225
So he adds, there’s no vaccine that we can actually think of that is actually been more evaluated and as the ones that are out now.

781
01:25:13,225 –> 01:25:23,155
But, you know, when there is still unequal access to health care, justified fear and denial, I mean, what do we do?

782
01:25:23,155 –> 01:25:28,165
What do we do? And so hopefully that will be the conversations coming up.

783
01:25:28,165 –> 01:25:39,955
So thank you so much to all the participants from across the country who took time out to participate in 27 National Health Equity Research Webcast.

784
01:25:39,955 –> 01:25:46,255
I hope everyone is inspired to action and advocacy in the quest to make sure that

785
01:25:46,255 –> 01:25:51,985
the health of all populations is considered as we fight through this pandemic.

786
01:25:51,985 –> 01:25:57,025
Now, the recording from today’s webcast will be available on our Web page soon.

787
01:25:57,025 –> 01:26:02,125
So please tell your friends and colleagues about it and please join us next year and

788
01:26:02,125 –> 01:26:06,955
twenty twenty two for the twenty eighth National Health Equity Research Webcast.

789
01:26:06,955 –> 01:26:14,215
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790
01:26:14,215 –> 01:26:20,035
This we’d like to hear from you about today’s program and ideas for future webcast.

791
01:26:20,035 –> 01:26:25,345
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792
01:26:25,345 –> 01:26:29,905
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793
01:26:29,905 –> 01:26:36,699
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